29th April - M - GH - 11a - 2
QWhy did you say that so long as you were at the head of it, the Jew will deprive no joy from it?
ABecause I considered myself as a man whom fate had led in such a way that he is in a position to enlighten people about the Jewish question.
QAnd "enlightenment", is that another word for persecution? Do you mean by "enlightenment" persecution?
AI did not understand that.
QDo you mean by "enlightenment" the word " persecution"? Is that why the Jew was to have no joy from it, from your enlightenment?
ASo as to avoid a misunderstanding, I have to say that I was beaten in Freising so much and for days without clothes that I have lost forty per cent of my hearing capacity and people are laughing when I ask. I can't help it that I was treated like that. Therefore, I ask to hear the question again.
QI can show it to you and we'll repeat the question as loudly as you want it. Do you mean by "enlightenment" the word "persecution"? Do you hear that?
AEnlightenment? I understand and mean by "enlightenment" to tell to another person something which he does not yet know.
QWe won't go on with that. You know, do you not, that, starting with the boycott, which you led yourself in 1933, the Jews thereafter were, during the course of years, deprived of the right to vote; deprived of holding any public office; excluded from the professions; demonstrations were conducted against them in 1938; they were fined a billion marks after that; they were forced to wear a yellow star; they had their own separate seats to sit on; and they had their houses and their business taken away from them. Do you call that enlightenment?
AThat has nothing to do with what I wrote. I did not give the orders.
I did not make the laws. I was not asked when laws were prepared. I had nothing to do with these laws and orders.
QBut as those laws and orders were passed you were applauding them and you were going on abusing the Jews and asking for more and more orders to be passed; isn't that a fact?
A I ask to be put up to me which law I have applauded.
29th April - M - GH - 11a - 3
QNow, you told the Tribunal yesterday, did you not, that you were responsible, you thought, for the Nurnberg decrees which you had been advocating for years before they came into force; isn't that a fact?
AThe Nurnberg laws? I did not make them. I was not asked before, and I have not signed them. But I state here that these laws are that which the Jewish people have for themselves as law. It is the greatest act of legislation which at any time any modern nation has made for her own protection.
QI don't propose to-
THE PRESIDENT:I think that is the time to break off.
(A recess was taken until 1400 hours.)
Official transcript of the International Military Tribunal in the matter of the United States of America, the French Republic, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics against Hermann Wilhelm Goering, et al, Defendants, sitting at Nurnberg, Germany, on 29 April 1946, 1400-1700, Lord Justice Lawrence presiding.
SIR DAVIDMAXWELL-FYFE: My Lord, I wonder if the Tribunal would be good enough to consider setting aside a half hour some time for the discussion of the documents of the defendant von Schirach. We are ready to clear up our outstanding points at any time that is suitable to the Tribunal.
THE PRESIDENT:Yes.
JULIUS STREICHER - Resumed CROSS EXAMINATION - Continued BY LT.
COL. GRIFFITH-JONES:
QNow, I just want to ask you a few questions as to the part you played in the various actions taken against the Jews between 1933 and 1939.
Will you look at Document M-6, which is at Page 20 in the document book that you have before you, Page 22 in the document book that the Tribunal have in English. It is page 20 in the German book, M-6, which is already GB-170.
Now, I just want to refer to what you said about the Nu ernberg Decrees. You told us this morning that you thought when they had been passed that that was already the final solution of the Jewish question. Will you look at the paragraph beginning in the center of the page "However, to these who believe"?
"However, to those who believe that the Jewish question has been finally solved and the matter thus settled for Germany by the Nuernberg Decrees, be it said that the battle continues. World Jewry itself is seeing to that anyhow, and we shall only get through this battle victoriously if every member of the German people knows that their very existence is at stake. The work of enlightenment carried on by the Party seems to me to be more than ever necessary today, when even many Party members seem to think that these matters are no longer real or urgent."
AYes, yes, I have written that.
QWhat do you mean by saying the battle continues if you have already solved the Jewish problem by the issuance of the Nuernberg Decrees?
A I have already stated today that the solution of the Jewish problem was regarded by me as having to be solved, first of all, in the country and then internationally.
In other words "the battle continues" means in the anti-Semitic Union and the International Union, which I had formed which had representatives from all countries on it, the place where it was discussed, what could be done internationally to terminate the Jewish problem.
QAre we, therefore, to take it that everything you have said and wrote after 1936 was in connection with an international problem and had nothing to do with the Jews in Germany as such.
AYes, of course, in the main, international, of course.
QLet me just refer you to half way through the next paragraph:
"The 'Stuermer's' 15 years of work of enlightenment has already led an army of those who know, millions strong, to National Socialism."
Is that so?
AThat is correct.
QYou see, you were telling the Tribunal this morning that up until 1933, and indeed afterwards, the circulation of your paper was only very small. Is it true, in fact, that your 15 years of work had led an army, millions strong, to National Socialism?
AI have said today that the moment the press was coordinated, there were 3,000 newspapers serving the purpose of enlightening about the Jewish problem. There were 3,000 daily papers of the size of "Der Stuermer."
Furthermore -
QVery well. I don't think you need go on. Let me just finish reading through that paragraph:
"The continued work of the 'Stuermer' will help to insure that every German down to the last man will, with heart and hand, join the ranks of those whose aim it is to crush the head of the serpent Pan-Judah."
Wait one moment, let me ask my question. There is nothing there about an international problem. You are addressing yourself to the German people, are you not?
AYes. That article? Yes. If that article was read abroad, then of course I was also talking to countries abroad, but the remark about crushing the serpent's head, that is a Biblical expression.
Q Will you now let us discuss for a moment the breaking up of the synagogue in Nurnberg, which you have told a about, on the 10th of August of 1938.
Will you look at Page 41 of the book that you have in front of you, page 42 of the English document book that the Tribunal has.
Now, we have heard your explanation of that breaking up of the synagogue. Tac "Fraenkische Tageszeitung" of the 11th of August states this:
"In Nuernberg the synagogue is being demolished. Julius Streicher himself in his greatest work by speech, lasting more than an hour and a half" -- were you talking to the inhabitants of Nuernberg upon the architectural value of their city for an hour and a half on the 10th of August 1938?
AI cannot longer recollect in detail what I have said, but I refer to what you have just remarked, and what is important, or what I found important, is that there was a branch of the Propaganda Ministry in Nuernberg. The chief had press conferences with the editors every day, and at that time during the press conferences he told the editors that Streicher was speaking and that the synagogue was being demolished and that this was to be kept a secret.
Q I asked you, were you talking for that hour and a half on the architectural beauties of Nurnberg and not against the Jews?
Is that what you are telling us?
AThat, tool; of course, that too.
QAt the press conference, to which you referred -- you no doubt have seen the document; it is page 40 of the Tribunal's document book -- you remember that it was arranged that the show should be arranged in a big way, the show of pulling down the synagogue. What was the object of arranging the demonstration to demolish that synagogue in such a big way?
AI was merely speaking -- what you are hinting here, that was done by the representative of the Ministry of Propaganda but I wouldn't object to it, if you decided to assume, to let me put it like that, that I was in the interest of making a big show if I had been asked.
QLet me just ask you now a word about the demonstrations which followed that in November of that year.
LT. COL.GRIFFITH-JONES: My Lord, I refer to page 43 of the document book; 42 of the German. BY LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES:
QAs I understand it, you tell us that you disapproved of those demonstrations that took place and they took place without your knowledge or previous knowledge. Is that correct, yes or no?
AYes, it is correct.
QI just want to remind you of what you said on the following day, the 10th of November. This is an account of what happened: "In Nurnberg and Furth, it described the demonstrations by the crowd against the Jewish murders. These lasted until the early hours of the morning."
I now pass to the end of that paragraph: "After midnight the excitement of the public has reached its peak and the large crowd marched to the synagogue in Nurnberg and Furth and burned those two Jewish buildings where the murder of Germans had been preached." That is what happened.
This is now what you say.
LT. COLONELGRIFFITH-JONES: It is on page 44 of the document book, my Lord.
BY LT. COLONEL GRIFFITH-JONES:
Q "From the cradle, the Jew is not being taught like we are. Such text as 'Thou shall love your neighbor as they self' or 'If you are smitten on the left cheek offer then your right one'. No. He is told 'With the non-Jew you can do whatever you like.' He is even taught the slaughtering of a non-Jew is an act pleasing to God. For twenty years we have been writing about this in 'Der Stuermer.' For twenty years we have been preaching it throughout the world and we have made millions recognize the truth."
Does that sound as though you had disapproved of the demonstrations that had taken place the night before?
AFirst of all, I must state that the report, part of which you read, was appearing in a daily paper; therefore, it is a possibility that someone wrote that parts of the Nation arose against the murders and, then, that is in keeping with the order for the Propaganda Ministry in Berlin -- But to start with, that was described as a spontaneous demonstration.
QThat does not answer my question. Does that passage that I have read, sound as though you had disapproved of the demonstrations that had taken place the night before; does it or does it not?
AI was against that demonstration.
QJust let me read on: "But we know that we have in our midst people who take pity on the Jews, people who are not worthy of living in this town, who are not worthy to belong to the people of whom you are a proud part."
Why should it have been necessary for people to have had pity on the Jews, if you were not --you and the Nazi Party were not persecuting them?
AI have already pointed out today that I was forced, after this demonstration had taken place, to define my attitude in public and say one should not have so much pity, and want to prove that this was a spontaneous action by the people; in other words, the whole thing is not against me, it is for me. The people like I, myself, were opposed to demonstrations and I found that I had cause to -- should I say -- get the public opinion to the point where one might possibly not regard that action as anything too severe.
QBut, why, if you were opposed to it and if the people were opposed to it, should it have been your duty to try and convert them so that they should be in favor of that kind of thing?
Why were you opposed to it and why should you try to convert them against the Jew?
AI don't quite understand.
QI understand you to say that you were opposed to these demonstrations.
A yes.
QAnd that the people also were opposed to the demonstrations and that, therefore, it was your duty to try and stir them up and make them in favor of the demonstrations after they had happened; why should it have been your duty to do that?
AToday, you can possibly say that this or that might have been my duty -- if you put yourself into a situation at the time -- this muddle -- and to come to a quick conclusion, as one might have to in this courtroom, that was quite impossible; what happened has happened. I was against it and the public opinion, too. What was written about it afterwards, that was done for tactical reasons.
QVery well. Were you in favor of the aryanization of Jewish houses and businesses? Were in favor of that or did you disapprove of that issue?
AI have said today in great detail, in connection to a statement of Partymember Holz, what my answer to that question is; I have stated it and I am repeating that -
Q. Just a moment, I don't want a speech. I asked you a question which you could answer yes or no.
Did you approve or disapprove of the system of aryanization of Jewish businesses and houses?
A.You cannot answer that quickly with yes or no. I have made it clear today, and you will have to allow me, that I tell you just the same again so that there isn't any misunderstanding. My Party member Holz ---
Q.I am not going to allow you to repeat it. I will go on if you are not prepared to answer that question. The Tribunal have heard it and I pass on.
A.I want to answer it.
THE PRESIDENT:Defendant -
THE WITNESS:After the Party member came --
THE PRESIDENT:You have refused to answer the question properly, a question to which you can give either an affirmative or a negative answer. Did you approve or did you not approve? You can give an answer to that and then you can give any explanation afterwards.
THE WITNESS:I was not for the aryanization. When Holz repeated that the houses had been pretty badly knocked about, that we might get finances for a Fau District building, I said "all right, if you can do it, go ahead." I already stated today, that there was negligence on his party. BY LT. COLONEL GRIFFITH-JONES:
Q.There were in fact a very great number of Jewish businesses and houses aryanized in Nurnberg and Franconia, were there not?
A.Yes.
Q.Would you just look at a new exhibit, D-835, which becomes GB 330. That is a list -- it is an original document -- it is a list of Jewish property in Nurnberg and Furth which was aryanized. Have you seen that list or anything like it before?
A.No.
Q.Well, you can take it from me, that that list contains the addresses of some eight hundred properties in Nurnberg and Furth which had been taken from the Jews and handed over to aryans. Would you agree that that would be at least eight hundred houses in your city here that were aryanized?
A. I don't know about it. I don't know the details, but I must make a statement.
I don't know whether there is ever to be found a statement -- I have already stated today that my Party fellow member Holz started to aryanize.
That was rescinded from Berlin and then came the aryanization carried out by the state. I wouldn't have had any influence in that connection, so that this is not my affair at all. This aryanization was ordered, you see, from Berlin; the taking way, I mean, of Jewish property.
Q.Now, you mentioned this morning that you were a subscriber to a weekly newspaper called "Das Israelitische Wochenblatt"; is that correct?
A.Yes.
Q.When did you start subscribing to that newspaper?
A.What did you say?
Q.On what date did you start subscribing to that newspaper?
A.I don't know.
Q.Well, I have no doubt you can tell the Tribunal approximately. Have you always, since 1933, been a subscriber of that newspaper?
A.Well, I don't think I would have read every edition. I travelled a great deal.
Q.You were, as I think this application of your wife to give evidence states, a regular reader of it, were you not?
A.My editors and I used to share reading this.
Q.May I take it, that between yourself and your editors -- I don't say every copy was read, but it was regularly read from 1933 onwards; is that fair?
A.You cannot say "read regularly."
Q.A large number of the copies that you subscribed for, which came weekly to you, were they read by yourself or by your editors?
A.Certainly.
Q Now, I want to turn to something else for a moment. I want to make myself perfectly clear to you.
DR. MARX:Mr. President, I should like to draw the attention of the Tribunal to the fact that the document which has just been presented, and which refers to confiscated property and real estate, has the heading "Aryanization Department for Real Estate, Nurnberg". That can't mean anything except that this document, which comes from the official department, was later on used for the confiscation of that real estate. It is that sort of document but by no means can this be a document that can prove that we are here concerned with the real estate aryanized by Holz subsequent to the 9th of November.
LT. COL.GRIFFITH-JONES: I accept that that may be so.
DR. MARX:I should like to ask, therefore, that this correction may be made in this connection. BY LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: If I was mistaken in saying that those properties had been aryanized, I would be right, then, would I not, in saying that that list of properties was prepared by the Aryanization Department in Nurnberg for the purpose of aryanizing them in the future? Would that be a fair statement to make?
ANo.
QI won't pursue that any further.
I want to make myself quite clear to you in what I am suggesting. I am suggesting that from 1939 onwards, you set out to incite the German people to murder and to accept the fact of the murder of the Jewish race. Do you understand that?
AThat isn't true.
QNo doubt you will say it isn't true. I just wanted you to be quite clear on what my suggestion is going to be.
I want you to lock now at a bundle which will be given to you, of extracts from the Stuermer. You can see the originals which are in court if you desire to do so, but it will save time if we use the document books there.
Now, will you look at page 3-A. For convenience, the pages in this bundle are all marked "A" to distinguish them from the numbers in the original document book.
THE PRESIDENT: Are they all in evidence?
LT. COL.GRIFFITH-JONES: They are none of them in evidence at the moment. Perhaps the most convenient way would be for me to put the actual documents in evidence together at the end, unless the Tribunal or the defendant desire to see any copies of them. I will give them numbers as I go along. BY LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES:
QWill you look at page 3-A of that bundle, D-809, which Becomes GB-331:
"The Jewish problem is not yet solved, nor will it be solved when one day the last Jew will have left Germany. Only then, when world Jewry has been annihilated, will it have been solved."
Is that what you were working for when you say you were working for the international solution to this problem, the annihilation of world Jewry?
AIf that is how you understand "annihilation". That was written by my chief editor at the time. He says, "The problem is not yet solved nor will it be solved when one day the last Jew will have left Germany." And when he says that only then when world Jewry has been annihilated will it be solved, then he probably meant that the power of the Jew should be annihilated. He was thinking of the power; he wasn't thinking of annihilating the men. My fellow Party member Holz didn't think of it either.
QThe German word used there is "vernichtet", is it not? Look at your copy. "Vernichtet" -- that means to annihilate.
AToday, when you look back, you could interpret it like that, but not at that time.
QWe won't waste time because we have got quite a number to look through. Will you look on to the next page. That was in January you were writing that. In April 1939, D-810, GB-332, I refer only to the last two lines. This is an article again by your editor:
"Then perhaps their graves will proclaim that this people of murderers and criminals has, after all, met its deserved fate."
What do you mean by "graves" there? Do you mean excluding them from the business of the world?
AThis is the first time that I have seen this article. That is the statement of opinion of a man who was probably locking ahead and making plays on words, but as far as Heimer, and as far as we discussed the Jewish problem, there was no question of our discussing mass extermination; we didn't think of it.
May be it was his wish, I don't know, but anyway, that is the way it was written.
QVery well. Just turn over, will you now, to May 1939, D-811, GB-333. I quote the last six lines:
"A punitive expedition must come against the Jews in Russia."
This, of course, was before the Russian invasion.
"A punitive expedition must come against the Jews in Russia, a punitive expedition which will provide the same fate for them that every murderer and criminal must expect, death sentence and execution. The Jews in Russia must be killed. They must be exterminated root and branch. Then the world will see that the end of the Jews is also the end of Bolshevism."
AWho wrote that article?
QIt is published in your Stuermer. We can find out, if necessary. It is not written by you, but it is published in your Stuermer, and you have told the Tribunal that you accept responsibility for everything that was written in that newspaper.
AAll right, I will assume responsibility, but I want to state that in this, too, is a question of the private opinion of a man who in May 1939 could not have though that from nothing, because we had no soldiers, a March to Russia could be started. That is very strongly worded opinion of that anti-Semitic person.
QAll I ask you about that is: Is that not advocating the murder of Jews, that article, and if it is not, what is it advocating?
AThe whole article would have to be read to me so that I could decide what motives existed for writing something like that. I therefore ask you to give the public the whole article. Then you can make up a proper judgment.
QWell, we'll go on. We won't waste time unless you really want to see the whole article.
LT. COL.GRIFFITH-JONES: My Lord, if I perhaps might be allowed to put these documents in evidence. As your Lordship will see, this bundle is a bundle of extracts from the Stuermer.
DR. MARX:Mr. President, with the permission of the Tribunal, I would like to make the following statement: A number of extracts from the Stuermer have been mentioned here.
This is the first time that they have been put before me. Some of them are articles which haven't been written by the defendant personally.
Some are by Hiemer ; some originate from Holz, who was particularly radical in his way of expressing himself, and passages are being quoted which are probably taken out of the proper context.
I must ask, therefore, that I be afforded the opportunity of reading and discussing these extracts, and investigating them together with the defendant Streicher. Otherwise, he might come to the conslusion that his defense is being made too difficult for him, and that it is being made impossible for him to prepare himself appropriately.
THE PRESIDENT:Dr. Marx, you will no doubt have an opportunity. You will have an opportunity of checking -
DR. MARX:I beg your pardon.
THE PRESIDENT:I have already said that I wished counsel, when they make objections, would put on the earphones so that I can mate myself heard.
You will have an opportunity of checking up on these various extracts, and you will be able to introduce, if necessary, any passages which explain the extracts. That is a matter which has been explained to defendants' counsel over and over again.
Colonel Griffith-Jones, are there not certain of these extracts which are written or signed by the defendant?
LT. COL.GRIFFITH-JONES: Well, with your Lordship's permission. I will refer to some of them, but so that I should not have to red to all of them, I was going to suggest that perhaps I might put them in and, if it is necessary, let the Tribunal know afterwards the numbers of them to save time.
THE PRESIDENT:Yes, certainly.
LT. COL.GRIFFITH-JONES: I put the whole bundle in evidence and will not refer to all of them.
THE PRESIDENT:Then you can give us the exhibit numbers later.
LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES: If that is suitable to the convenience of the court.
THE PRESIDENT:Yes. BY LT. COL. GRIFFITH-JONES:
QWell now, the Tribunal will see by looking at this bundle, from the first page which I think is 3-A, to page 25-A, are various extracts which have been written either by yourself or by members of your staff between January 1939 and January 1941.
Do I understand you to say now, to have said in your evidence, that you never knew that Jews were being exterminated in thousands and millions in the eastern territories? Did you never know that?
A No, no.
QAs I understood your evidence about the "Israelitisches Wochenblatt" this morning you said this, as I have written it down:
"Sometime that journal contained hints that everything was not in order. Late in 1943 on article appeared in which it was said masses of Jews were disappearing but the article did not quote any figures and did not mention anything about murder."
Are you really saying that those copies of the "Israelitisches Wochenblatt", which you and your editors were reading, contained nothing but a hint of disappearance with no mention of figures or murder? Is that what you are telling this Tribunal?
AYes, and I stick to that.
QNow, I want you, if you will, to take this bundle and keep it in from of you. It is a bundle of extracts from the "Israelitisches Wochenblatt" from July 1941 until the end of the war. The Tribunal will be able to see what a fanatic for the truth really tells.
(Witnesshanded document)
LT. COLONELGRIFFITH-JONES: My Lord, this bundle for convenience again is marked "B". BY LT. COLONEL GRIFFITH-JONES:
QWill you look at the first page. That is an article on the 11 of July, 1941.
"Some 40,000 Jews died in Poland during the last year. The hospitals are overfull."
How, you need not turn over for the moment, defendant. We will turn the pages soon enough.
Did you happen to read that sentence in the issue of the 11 of July, 1941?
ANo.
QWill you look at page 3, 3 "B"? In November, 1941:
"Very bad news comes from the Ukraine. Thousands of Jewish dead are being mourned, amongst whom are many of the Galician Jews who were expelled from Hungary."
Did you read that?
A That might be. It says "thousands", thousands are being mou rned.
That is no proof that millions were killed.
QVery well.
AThere is no detail stated. There are no details how they came to their end.
QIf that is the explanation you want to accept we will leave it.
Just go on again. We will look at the next page, the 12 of December, 1941, a month later:
"According to news which has arrived from several sources thousands of Jews, people even speak of many thousands, have been executed in Odessa and so on. Similar news reaches us from Kiev and other Russian cities."
Did you read that?
AI do not know and if I had read it then it would not change a thing That is no evidence.
QBut you have told the Tribunal, you know, that there was nothing except for hints of disappearance. Doesn't it show that you were not telling the truth when you read these extracts?
AIn that case may I say the following. When the war started we did not receive the "Israelitisches Wochenblatt" anymore. During the later years one could only get the "Israelitisches Wochenblatt" through the police or through black market channels. We get that paper into Germany toward the end and on one occasion we asked the police to receive foreign newspapers and this weekly and it was stated that was not possible but we nevertheless got it.
I did not read every one of these editions but the ones which I have read were confiscated from my farm and everything that is underlined has been read by me or it was read by my editor-in-chief. I cannot, therefore, guarantee that I read every single thing in that paper.
QNo, I appreciate that and that is why we have quite a number of them.
You see, we have an extract for practically every week or month over the course of three years.
I would just like you to turn to page 30 "A" of the "A" bundle. I just want you to see what you were writing after these copies of the "Israelitische Wochenblatt" had been published. This is a leading article by yourself.
"If the danger of the reproduction of that curse of God in the Jewish blood is finally to come to an end, then there is only one way, the extermination of that people whose father is the devil."
And is the word that you use for extermination there "ausrottung", rooting out extirpation?
AFirst of all, I would like to ask whether this edition is known to my defen counsel, the one you have translated there and is the translation correct?
QIt does not matter. He has copies of all this and he will be able to protec your interests. We are now just testing the truth of the evidence you have given.
Can you tell me, is that extermination? Does that mean murder of Jews? What else can it mean?
AIt depends on the connection. In thay case I want you to read the whole article.
QWell, if there is anything in the rest of the article which can be helpful to you, your counsel will have an opportunity ti see the article and be able to put it before the Tribunal. I can assure you that the remainder of your articles, as a general rule, do not assist your case.
AWhen that article appeared mass killing had already taken place a long time ago.
QVery well. Well now, we will not go through this at any length.
If you will look at your "B" bundle, your bundle of extracts from the "Isreali tisches Wochenblatt"-
THE PRESIDENT:I think you should draw his attention to the date on page 30 " LT,-COLONEL GRIFFITH-JONES:
My Lord, I am Very much obliged to your Lordship. The 25th of December, 1941. BY LT. COLONEL GRIFFITH-JONES:
QIf you will glance at "B" bundle you will see a number of extracts from page 21. Now, I would like you to glance at page 24 of that bundle.
APage 24?
QYes, page 24. This is an article which appeared in the "Israelitisches Woche blatt" on the 27th of November, 1942. I just wondered whether you read this.
"At the Zionist Agency in Geneva gave a report on the position of European Jewry. The number of victims goes into millions. If the present conditions continue and the German program is carried out it is to be reckoned with that instead of six or seven million Jews in Europe only two million will still be left."
Then there are the three last lines of the extract:
"The Jews who were there had mostly been deported to the notorious unknown destination further to the east. At the end of this winter the number of victims will be four million."
Is that what you call a hint of disappearance of Jews from the East?
AI cannot recollect that I have ever read that but I do want to say that if I had read it I would not have believed it.