MR. HART: We will withdraw the offer at this time, your Honor.
At page 151 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-390as Exhibit No. 149. This a Liebehentschel letter to camp commanders regarding the distribution of case of Soviet Russia.
At page 152 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-394as Exhibit No. 150. This is a Gluecks' letter to concentration camp commanders stating that blood-stained clothing and clothing with bullet holes had been forwarded from the camps and stating that in the future such clothing be excluded from packages.
At page 154 of the document book I offer Document NO-606 as Exhibit 151. This document consists of Pohl-Himmler correspondence concerning the distribution of clothing from the concentration camps to ethnical German groups.
At page 159 of the document book I offer Document No. 3680-PS as Exhibit 152. This is a letter from Maurer to camp commanders regarding the collection of human hair from concentration camps and a shipment to a private firm for manufacturing purposes.
At page 161 of the document book I offer Document No. 858-PS as Exhibit 153. This is an order by the defendant, August Frank, to the concentration camps and SS special camps concerning disposal of the various kinds of property from the deceased inmates of concentration camps.
At page 164 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-1521as Exhibit No. 154. This is a Liebehentschel letter to concentration camp commanders directing that the gold from the mouths of deceased concentration camp inmates be collected from the smaller concentration camps for a longer period. The letter suggests one year.
At page 165 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-1963, as Exhibit No. 155. These constitute various transmittal notices referring to shipments of gold taken from the teeth of specified concentration camp inmates.
That completes Prosecution Document Book 5.
Document No. 383, mentioned in the index of the document book, has been submitted in Book 4.
THE PRESIDENT: Did you say that Document NO-383 has already been submitted in Book 4?
MR. HART: Yes, sir.
THE PRESIDENT: Could you give us the page number?
MR. HART: Page No. 106, Exhibit 112.
THE PRESIDENT: Exhibit 112, Page 106.
MR. HART: I now take up Document Book No. 6. At page 1 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-1510 as Exhibit No. 156. This is a Liebehentschel letter to concentration camp commanders stating that the ashes from bodies of deceased Jews and Czechs will no longer be sent to their families for burial.
Page 2 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-1543 as Exhibit 157. This is Gluecks' letter to concentration camp commanders regarding various kinds of death notices.
At page 4 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-1529 as Exhibit 158. This document consists of further directives concerning death notices.
At page 6 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-1243 as Exhibit No. 159. This is a Liebehentschel directive forbidding death notices to relatives of deceased inmates from Action Meerschaum. Your Honors will recall Action Meerschaum as being the action pursuant to which one thousand French inmates were sent to from Champagne in France to, I think it was Auschwitz or Buchenwald.
At page 7 of the document book -- Excuse me, Document No. NO-1246 has been submitted in Book 4.
At page 10 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-1991as Exhibit 160. This is a Liebehentschel letter to the Gross-Rosen camp commander enclosing 600 marks to be distributed as a reward among persons carrying out executions at camp.
At page 11 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-1526as Exhibit 161. This is a Liebehentschel letter to concentration camp commanders setting forth the different regulations for the execution of German women, concentration camp inmates, and foreign women concentration camp inmates.
At Page 13 of the document book I offer Document No. NO-1993as Exhibit 162. This is a Gluecks' letter to concentration camp Gross-Rosen stating that upon a suggestion made by Gluecks' office Amtsgruppe D, certain prisoners had been executed with the consent of RSHA. At page 16 -- I should have mentioned that Exhibit 162 consists of two letters, the second referring to the same matter.
At page 16 of the document book, I offer--Excuse me, your Honors, that document has been submitted also in Book 4.
At page 28 of the Document Book, I offer Document---
THE PRESIDENT: Can you tell us in what book the document on page 16 is to be found?
MR. HART: I don't find it in Book 4, your Honor. Therefore I submit it here, referring to Document NO-2147, at page 16. I submit the document as Exhibit 163. This is an example of a weekly report to Amtsgruppe D-III. Rather, I should say it is a report of the physician at the Buchenwald Concentration Camp in August of 1942, concerning deaths and executions at the Buchenwald Concentration Camp.
DR. SEIDL: Your Honors, in our document book we do have a document NO-2147. The subject of the document, however, is an entirely different one from the one just described by the prosecution. This document deals with the inspection of the concentration camp of Stutthof on the 8th of January, 1942. It is quite a voluminous document, with a marginal note referring to a conversation of the 12th of December, 1941, in Stutthof. Under these circumstances I must assume there must be some sort of a misunderstanding here. I can also remember that in a document book submitted earlier a similar document -- if not the same one -- was submitted.
DR. GAWLIK: Your Honors, I want you to know that this document has been submitted as NO-2147 in either Document Book 2 or 4, but it has been submitted.
MR. HART: Your Honors, I see that Document 2147 in Book 2, is the same as Document 2147 at page 56 in Book 4. I therefore withdraw the re-offering of that document in the present book.
In Document Book 6, I offer Document NO-1942, as Exhibit 163. (Page 28.) This is a report by the physician at the Buchenwald Concentration Camp setting forth the deaths of concentration camp inmates at Buchenwald during the month of August, 1942, and during a subsequent period.
At page 30 of the Document Book, I offer Document NO1285, as Exhibit 164. This document consists of Pohl-Himmler correspondence concerning the death rates of prisoners transfered from the justice prisons to concentration camps. I should like to read from Pohl's letter to Himmler of March 15, 1943.
"According to concurring reports received from all camps occupied by prisoners in protective custody, the state of health and thus the working capacity of the prisoners sent in by the Administration of Justice is catastrophic. In all the camps a loss of between at least 25 to 30 per cent is to be reckoned with and then this number is only reached if the prisoners are treated with consideration for a greater length of time."
At page 34 of the document book, I offer Document 1469-PS, as Exhibit 165. This exhibit consists of further Pohl-Himmler correspondence concerning the death rated in concentration camps. This correspondence sets forth detailed data concerning the deaths and mortality rates of prisoners in various of the concentration camps. For example, at page 32 of the Document Book the statistics show that out of an average number of inmates in all concentration camps for the month of August, 1943, the death rate was 2.09 per cent. In July 1943, it was 2.23 per cent, that being the over-all rate at that time.
At page 41 of the Document Book, I offer Document 2169PS, as Exhibit 226 166.
This is a letter from the garrison doctor at Neuengamme to the chief of Amt D-III, giving further death records, showing the deaths of 6,244 persons at Neuengamme in a period from December 26, 1944 to March 25, 1946.
At page 43 of the Document Book, I offer Document NO-905, as Exhibit 167.
Court No. 11 - Case No. 4 This is a memorandum concerning a conference of RSHA with reference to the application of the so-called "Special Treatment" and the method for carrying out the so-called "Special Treatment."
It will appear from the Prosecution exhibits that "Special Treatment" refers to execution of concentration camp inmates. I offer document No. 1254-PS (2). This is a letter from the commander of the Gross-Rosen Concentration Camp to the Brigadefuehrer Mueller, Chief of the RSHA, by listing twenty-some-odd persons who had been executed and cremated, and whose bodies had been cremated pursuant to the orders of the RSHA.
At page -- I think I neglected to give that an exhibit number.
THE PRESIDENT: Number 168.
MR. HART: That is 168. At page 48 of the document book I offer document No. NO-1531, as Exhibit 169. This is a Liebehenschel Order concerning the racial classification of persons in the concentration camps.
At page 49 of the document book I should like to introduce the next four documents at the same time and refer to them afterwards. At page 49 I offer document NO1750 -
JUDGE MUSMANNO: Fifty - or 60?
MR. HART: Sixty, Your Honor; excuse me. -- as Exhibit 170. At page 50 I offer document NO-1761, as Exhibit 171. At page 52 I offer document NO-1762, as Exhibit 172. And at page 53 I offer document NO-1763 as Exhibit 173. These exhibits 170, 171, 172, and 173 constitute the correspondence between Himmler and Pohl which brings out the process through which prisoners were selected in the concentration camps - the basis of selection a racial one, partly;
Court No. 11 - Case No. 4 and partly the criterion being which prisoners were able to work and which ones were not able to work, and should, therefore, be done away with.
The reference in the correspondence is to a so-called positive policy of racial selection aimed at saving the so-called superior racial stock, and aimed at the annihilation of the so-called inferior racial stocks. It appears that the RUSHA was the final authority for the so-called positive policy, and that the RSHA was the final authority on the so-called negative policy - pursuant to which persons were exterminated.
At page fifty-five of the document book I offer document No. NO-1452 as Exhibit 174. This is a Gluecks' Order containing the racial examination of concentration camp inmates for the purpose of selecting these for naturalization, and those who should be exterminated under the so-called "Special Treatment. At page 56 of the document book I offer document No. NO-1458 as Exhibit 176.
Exhibits 175 and 176 are letters from the RSHA discussing this racial selection which proceeded the special treatment under which some of the concentration camp inmates were exterminated.
At page 58 of the document book I offer document No. L159. This is the so-called Barkley Report to Congress on atrocities and other conditions in concentration camps generally in Germany.
JUDGE MUSMANNO: What exhibit number?
MR. HART: I offer this as Exhibit 1717. I don't feel that it is necessary for me to comment on that report, Your Honors. It is quite a lengthy report and is the result of investigations covering all the concentration camps -
Court No. 11 - Case No. 4 but with particular reference to the concentration camp Dachau.
That page 86 of the document book, I offer document No. 2222-PS as Exhibit 178.
This is another report. This one is an official report by the Headquarters of Twelfth Army Group regarding the murder and maltreatment of political prisoners of war at the concentration camp Dora. At page 106 of the document book I offer document No. NO-2122 as Exhibit 179. This is an affidavit of Karl Roeder who was a concentration camp inmate. He explained his experiences in the concentration camp Dachau.
At page 116 of the Document Book I offer Document No. 2285-PS as Prosecution Exhibit No. 180. This is an affidavit of Guivante de Saint Gast, a former concentration camp inmate who described his experiences at concentration camp Mauthausen.
At page 118 of the Document Book I offer Document No. 2176-PS, as Prosecution Exhibit No. 181. This is an official report to the Commanding General of the 12th U.S. Army Group concerning atrocities and conditions in Mauthausen concentration camp.
At page 122 of the Document Book I offer Document No. 2309-PS, as Prosecution Exhibit No. 182. This is another official report, being a report of the Commanding General of the 3rd U.S. Army concerning atrocities and conditions in Flossenburg concentration camp.
That completes the Document Book Six of the Prosecution.
THE PRESIDENT: And the Court will be in recess.
(A recess was taken.)
THE MARSHAL: All persons in the court please take their seats Tribunal No. 2 is again in session.
MR. MC HANEY: May it please the Tribunal, I turn now to Book No. 7, Prosecution's Document Book No. 7, which is the first of a series of three book dealing with medical experiments carried out on concentration camp inmates. The experiments covered in the first book are the high altitude experiments and the freezing experiments carried out primarily for the benefit of the Luftwaffe in the concentration camp Dachau in the years 1942 and 1943. One of the principal experimental doctors, as the Tribunal knows, was the notorious Dr. Rascher. In the high altitude experiments he was aided and abetted by the defendants Romberg and Ruf in the medical case; in the freezing experiments by Drs. Holzloehner and Henker, two gentlemen from the medical service of the Luftwaffe, and Holzloehner committed suicide after the end of the war and Henker's whereabouts are not known. The first series of documents in this book deal with the subject of medical experiments generally and concern in some measure the part played in it by the WVHA. The first document on page 1 of the document book is Document NO-065, which will be Prosecution's Exhibit 183. This is an affidavit drawn up, I may say, by the defendant Pohl himself and it was sworn to and notarized after he brought it up from the cell. The original, if I recall correctly, is written in his own handwriting and this is the product of a rather lengthy interrogation in which a number of documents were exhibited to defendant Pohl. In this rather interesting affidavit he admits knowledge of the malaria experiments carried out by Dr. Schilling, who was a defendant in the Dachau Concentration Camp case and who was convicted, sentenced to death, and executed for carrying out those malaria experiments. They also were conducted in Dachau and extended approximately from the first of 1942 until the camp fell, or at least in the early months of 1945, one of the most extensive serial experiments carried out in any of the camps.
THE PRESIDENT: Where was Dr. Schilling tried?
MR. MC HANEY: In Dachau, Your Honor.
THE PRESIDENT: By a military court?
MR. MC HANEY: By a military commission, yes.
The second experiment which the defendant Pohl admits having known about and even having observed is the high altitude experiments of Dr. Rascher. I don't believe that he specifically mentions the freezing experiments of Rascher, but we shall see from other documents that he also knew of those. Well, yes, he does. Inferentially, he does, as "Neither did I select the prostitutes for his cooling experiments. They probably came from Ravensbrueck."
That is in paragraph 2 of the affidavit.
The third series of experiments which the defendant Pohl admits knowledge of were those mentioned in paragraph 3 under the name Klauber. Pohl says he met Klauber in Auschwitz. Apparently Pohl was -- Yes, he says Klauber was working on sterilization. As we shall see at a later point in document book 9, there were at least three different types of sterilization experiments carried out in the concentration camps. One was the so-called medicinal sterilization, which we shall see Phol was personally interested in. That was supposed to be very desirable because they could sterilize people without their knowledge about it.
Another course was, of course, the operational sterilization, castration.
Another method was sterilization by x-rays, which, I am informed, any schoolboy could know would not produce permanent sterilization without at the same time producing very bad x-ray burns.
The third type of sterilization is the type carried out by Dr. Klauber in Auschwitz and also, I think, in Ravens brueck, which was concerned with the sterilization of women, and it was accomplished by the injection of an irritating solution into the uterus.
The next series of experiments that the defendant Pohl admits knowledge of are mentioned in paragraph 4 of this affidavit on page 2 of the document book under the name of Siever (Ahnenerbe). Here he states that the Deutsche Heilmittel, which was one of the "W" Industries - that is, it was a pharmaceutical laboratory controlled by Amtsgruppe W - manufactured this blood coagulant known as Polygal. Polygal was another of the marvellous discoveries by Dr. Rascher, and it was hoped that the use of this blood coagulent would save soldiers who were shot and were seriously bleeding. They would be able to take the little tablet orally and that would stop the bleeding, and, as Pohl states in paragraph 4, "It was the result of experiments in Dachau during which a prisoner was fired upon." In other words, to test the drug, they proceeded to shoot the inmate to see if the previously administered coagulant would in fact stop the flow of blood. The defendant Gebhardt testified to the same effect in the medical case.
The fifth group of experiments that the defendant Pohl mentioned in this affidavit are those carried out by one Hassmeyer in Hohenlychen, and he states that they were concerned with TB. The Prosecution is not concerned particularly with this experiment. As I recall, however, the defendant Gebhardt stated that Hassmeyer engaged in bone transplantation experiments also at Ravensbrueck, which was the concentration camp located in the proximity of Hohenlychen, of which the defendant Gebhardt in the medical case was the chief doctor.
The sixth series of experiments again go back to steriliz zation.
DR. SEIDL: I object to the conclusion which has just been voiced by the Prosecution from the affidavit, as far as it is concerned with the person of Dr. Hassmeyer. It is not correct that the defendant Gebhardt in the case before Tribunal Number 1 admitted that Hassmeyer was making experiments in Ravensbrueck. That is obviously an error. This doctor was not Dr. Hassmeyer but Dr. Stumpfegger.
MR. MC HANEY: I withdraw my remarks. In any event, we are not concerned with any experiments of Dr. Hassmeyer. I had a vague recollection that he was mentioned in the medical case, and I thought in connection with Gebhardt, but I am probably incorrect.
In paragraph 6 Pohl admits knowledge of the sterilization experiments which used medicinal methods, and he talked of Madaus, which is a concern that manufactured drugs. We shall see more about that in document book number nine.
The last experiment which he here mentions is under paragraph number 7, where it says Lose, L-O-S-E, which is an obvious typographical error. It should be "Lost". Lost is a type of poison gas commonly known as mustard gas, and experiments were carried out by several different parties on concentration camp inmates to try to determine the most effective way of treating wounds caused by Lost gas. The ones that we will be particularly interested in here were those carried out by Dr. Hirt in the concentration camp Natzweiler.
Natzweiler was a concentration camp located near Strassbourg in France, and Dr. Hirt was a professor at Strassbourg.
I pass now to document NO 407, which will be Prosecution Exhibit 184. This, again, is an affidavit by the defendant Pohl in which he outlines the method of selecting experimental subjects and how he came to have knowledge of these matters.
I quoted one paragraph from this affidavit in my opening statement, and while I am sure that the Tribunal will find it interesting, I shall not read it here.
The next document is NO 444, page 7, which will be Prosecution Exhibit 185.
DR. SEIDL: I object to the offer of this document, NO 444. It is concerned with an affidavit of the defendant Rudolf Brandt, against whom a case is presently running in Military Tribunal Number I. This affidavit is one of a number of affidavits which are contained in this document book, and I assume that the Prosecution has more affidavits of this defendant to be submitted.
I object for the reason that the defendant Rudolf Brandt in the case against him before Tribunal Number I contradicted all his affidavits. Before Tribunal Number I he stated under oath that all these affidavits had been presented to him by the Prosecution, and he said furthermore that at that time he was in a state of health which did not allow him to recognize the importance of these affidavits and he declared that he was not in a position to maintain these affidavits. Then in the course of his interrogation he withdrew declarations and admitted that in all these affidavits we were concerned with were conclusions which the Prosecution obtained from documents which had been submitted in the course of the case of these twenty-three doctors.
With reference to these affidavits of Rudolf Brandt, the witness is available for direct examination. I do not think it is admissible to offer at this point an affidavit before this Tribunal, when the Prosecution has the opportunity at any time to bring this witness before the Tribunal.
DR. BERGOLD: May it please the Tribunal, I should like to join in the application of my colleague Seidl. You will recall that in the case of Milch, before this same Tribunal, this witness has also been presented in the dock by me, and at that time he withdrew his affidavit against Milch. Now, I am of the opinion that such affidavits which have already been submitted in other cases and have been the subject of evidence and from which conclusions have been drawn that they are not correct should not again be offered here without limitation, and if they are submitted, then only in connection with the evidence from other Tribunals, where the limitations are contained. Then perhaps we could discuss the point that these affidavits should be offered, but without the evidence of the witness which is contained in the record, I do not think that their submission here is correct.
THE PRESIDENT: The Witness Rudolf Brandt is available. He is alive and his whereabouts is well known. If the Defense wish to bring him as a witness before this Court to repudiate this affidavit they may do that. They may bring his testimony as given before Tribunal One to repudiate this affidavit or they may get new affidavits from his which contradict this one. I think this affidavit is admissible on its face. Just because it has been disputed in another tribunal does not mean it is not admissible here. Full opportunity will be given to deny the allegations in this affidavit if desired.
MR. McHANEY: Document No. NO-444 then is Prosecution Exhibit 185. It repeats in substance what is stated in the affidavit of Pohl concerning the manner of selecting prisoners, and so I shall not read from it here.
Document L-7 on Page 10 will be Prosecution Exhibit 186. This is an order passed down by the Chief of Amt D-2 who was Maurer. It is dated 4 December 1942 and concerns the assignment of prisoners to the camp doctor for experimental purposes and states that on the daily roster they are to be listed as prisoners for experimental purposes and attendants for experimental purposes. This simply shows the knowledge of all of Amtsgruppe D in participation in the assignment of experimental inmates at the concentration camp.
JUDGE PHILLIPS: Whose knowledge did you say?
MR. McHANEY: Most of Amtsgruppe D, and of course specifically this comes from Amt D-2.
I turn now to Document NO-436 which will be Prosecution Exhibit 187. This is a letter from the Defendant Pohl dated 21 May 1943. It is addressed to SS-Oberfuehrer Deuschl, Doctor of Medicine. In this letter Pohl is concerned with obtaining a position for Dr. Deuschl on his staff and he states that in the second line or third line, "The Reichsfuehrer-SS himself is of the opinion that perhaps you could supervise the experiments desired and ordered by him which we carry out in our concentration camps. It is a question of the most varied experiments which are going on not only in Dachau, whereto the Reichsfuehrer-SS suggests transferring you, but also in our other concentration camps.
At the present time, about eight or ten series of experiments are being carried out."
Document NO-919 on Page 13 will be Prosecution Exhibit 188. This is a letter by the Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler concerning the necessary approval before medical experiments could be carried out on concentration camp inmates. Prior to 15 May, 1944 things apparently had been handled in a somewhat haphazard manner, and in this letter Himmler directs that all experiments must first be passed on by Dr. Grawitz who was Reichsarzt-SS or Reich Physician SS. Grawitz was to obtain the critical opinion of the Chief Surgeon, the Oberster Kliniker, who was the Defendant Gebhardt in the medical case, also the opinion of Gruppenfuehrer Nebe, who, as I recall, was Chief of the Kripo or Criminal Police, and Gluecks who was chief of Amtsgruppe D, and Gruppenfuehrer and a subordinate of the Defendant Pohl. Thus is was before any experiments be carried out Gluecks had to be informed.
Turning now to Document 1751-PS on Page 14, that will be Prosecution Exhibit 189. This is dated three days prior to the previous exhibit, the order from Himmler, and is a circular order from Gluecks, Chief of Amtsgruppe D to a substation number of concentration camps, and it states that before any assignment of prisoners for experimental purposes could be made that the matter would have to be called to the attention of the WVHA.
Turn now to Page 15, Document NO-476, which will be Prosecution Exhibit 190. This is the first document concerning the high-altitude experiments with which this Tribunal is rather familiar. This is an affidavit from Dr. Romberg, one of the defendants in the medical case, who worked with Rascher in Dachau during the high-altitude experiments. As the Tribunal will recall he admitted having witnessed the death of three experimental subjects and also states that he knew that between five and ten others were also killed. I would also call the Tribunal's attention to Paragraphs 7 and 8 of the affidavit on Page 17 wherein no itemizes certain photographs made during the course of the highaltitude experiments which serve as the identification for the next document, Document NO-610, which will be prosecution Exhibit 191, and this is a series of photographs made during the course of high-altitude experiments showing among other things the autopsy performed on one of the experimental subjects who was unfortunate enough to have been killed.
Document NO-191 will be Prosecution Exhibit 192. This is another affidavit of Rudolf Brandt in which he outlines the high-altitude experiments, how the orders were passed down and what transpired.
Document 1971-A-PS on Page 23 will be Prosecution Exhibit 193, and this is an interim report dated April 8, 1942, from Dr. Rascher to his highly esteemed Reichsfuehrer enclosing a report which again shows that death occurred during the course of these experiments, and incidentally of course, shows that the deaths which did occur were not accidental at all but were probably brought on. As he states on the first page, that is Page 24 of the English document book in the fourth paragraph, last line, "The extreme, fatal experiments will be carried out on specially selected VPs," that means tester persons, "otherwise it would not be possible to exercise the rigid control so extraordinarily important for practical purposes." This mania for having control groups runs all through these experiments. There was always an unfortunate percentage of the experimental subjects, normally ranging about twenty-five percent, who were forced to undergo the particular experiment without any protective vaccine or whatever it may have been. That was the group which they found necessary in order to measure the effectiveness of the protective vaccine which they may have been testing.
The next document is 1971-b-PS on Page 26 which will be Prosecution Exhibit 194. This is a reply by Himmler to Rascher after having received the interim report which was introduced as Prosecution Exhibit 193, and the Tribunal will recall that Rascher had reported on a rather novel experiment in which there was a long beating of the heart after the tested person was apparently dead, and Rascher found this quite curious and interesting, and so also did Himmler, because in Paragraph 3 of this letter, Prosecution Exhibit 194, he says:
"Considering the long continued action of the heart the experiments should be specifically exploited in such a manner as to determine whether these men could be recalled to life. Should such an experiment succeed, then, of course, the person condemned to death shall be pardoned to concentration camp for life."
This letter has given rise to the curious assumption that if somebody survived one of these experiments, that is a person who had been previously condemned to death then he was somehow commuted to life imprisonment. The Prosecution has consistently interpreted this paragraph to mean that if a person were subjected to the type of experiment which Rascher described in his interim report and after having been apparently killed and his long continued heart action somehow permitted a revival of the man then he could be pardoned, a sort of procedure as I described there in Case No. 1 of hanging the defendant and having the rope break, then you don't hang him again, you use the King's mercy and don't subject him to death twice. I think that is probably a reasonably accurate interpretation of Himmler's benevolence as set forth in this letter. I call the Tribunal's attention specifically to the fact that Brigadefuehrer Cluecks, Chief of Amtsgruppe D and a subordinate of the Defendant Pohl, received a copy of this letter.
Document 1971-c-PS on Page 27 will be Prosecution Exhibit 195.
THE PRESIDENT: Did you say that Defendant Pohl got a copy of this letter?
MR. McHANEY: No, sir; I said that Brigadefuhrer Gluecks, Chief of Amtsgruppe D, that is recipient No. 3, he was a subordinate of the Defendant Pohl and was chief of what you see here as Amtsgruppe D.