Q: During the experiments, -- with reference to the experiments you witnessed in Dachau, had you seen a physician, Dr. Ruff, from the Luftwaffe?

A: That I cannot say. I saw many physicians come from the Luftwaffe. My recollection isn't strong enough to mention any names.

Q: How about a physician, Dr. Blome?

A: I can only remember these names I have mentioned here, only.

DR. SAUTER: In that case I have no further questions. Thank you.

DR. VORWERK: Dr. Vorwerk, counsel for Romberg.

BY DR. VORWERK:

Q [Vorwerk]: Witness, what kind of experiments in the concentration camp of Dachau were, according to your knowledge, the first ones to be carried through?

A: In February 1942 the malaria experiments started, and at the same time the high altitude experiments of the Luftwaffe.

Q: You used the expression "exhibition patients" what do you mean by that?

A: I mean the very first chosen patients who participated, who were used in the high altitude experiments. They lived in a specially selected room and they were well nourished. They received cigarettes. They were always presented, and were once introduced to Himmler at the occasion of his visit, and Himmler made big promises to them in case they survived, and told them they would be released, and so on. And, in addition to these 10 patients a large number --

Q: I was only asking you about these 10 patients. Did you get into contact with these 10 patients, did you speak to them?

A: I visited them on several occasions.

Q: Was there a possibility for the other camp inmates to get into contact with these 10 inmates?

A: Not for the other inmates, but for such persons who were working in the hospital.

Q: So these 10 people told you about Himmler's visit; do you know these 10 people were actually out to participate in experiments?

A: Yes, they were.

Q: But then you probably spoke to these persons about the experiments?